Huber wasn't a wife beater, he was a sibling beater. From The Motte:
"In 2012, Huber brandished a butcher knife and threatened to “gut” his brother “like a pig” if he didn’t clean the house. The family told police that Huber choked his brother with his hands for 10 seconds before letting him go and retreating to the skate park. Convicted of strangulation and false imprisonment, he was placed on probation but violated the terms and was sent to prison in 2017. When he came home, he got into another argument over the state of the house. This time, he kicked his sister, and went back to prison on a charge of disorderly conduct in 2018."
So apparently he was a psychopathic clean freak who attacked his siblings violently and went to jail because he used violence to try to make them to clean the house.
"And that people are so invested in these lies that they can't recalibrate their opinions."
This goes back to a comment I dropped in another article you wrote about a year back. The book is Superforecasting and the reference in there is to a study on experts and their predictions. Two sets of experts were asked to predict an outcome. One set of experts publicly proclaimed their predicted outcomes; the other set kept their predictions private.
Then, new facts were introduced that affected whether the predicted outcome was more likely to be accurate or inaccurate. Experts were periodically asked whether they wanted to revise their predictions, then new facts would be introduced and the experts re-queried, and so on. Eventually, there was an outcome.
The experts who publicly proclaimed their predictions were more than twice as likely to refuse to change their prediction, even when presented with new facts that undermined the likelihood of their prediction. This was true even when they were told that the actual outcome was the opposite of what they predicted -- some who publicly staked themselves to the opposite outcome refused to concede.
This is what we see with social media. People publicly take a position on issues. Then they refuse to change their minds, even when confronted with new facts that undermine the position they've taken. It's actually even broader than that. People publicly stake themselves to this or that echo chamber. Then, they refuse to believe the echo chamber could have led them astray.
Per court testimonies Kyle opened fire for the first time only when he ended up being cornered at the parking lot and rapist lunged at him trying to grab his rifle, not due to other rioter shooting (whose identity is known and he wasn't even subpoenaed if I'm not mistaken).
TYT co-host admitted being wrong about Kyle chasing the rapist, not about skin colors.
Following the trial https://www.bitchute.com/channel/4I3OqIk7gzoU/. The commentary is helpful as he critiques both the prosecution and defense. Whether the prosecution really tried is up for debate. Their own witnesses suggests the trial should have never happened but was seemingly driven by the press who got nearly all of the story wrong, on purpose maybe, for clicks certainly. Whether Rittenhouse goes down the Nick Sandman road remains to be seen but Sandman's life was trashed via press zeal to create a narrative.
Many in the public are becoming quite aware of the dual system of justice to preserve a narrative in the harsh sentencing of the J6 people. Some are guilty of violence and need to be held to account; others, not so much.
so murderer did a background check on the victims before he shot them. Or was it: guy we worship killed some people, let's do a character assassination on the victims and oh gee we found a criminal record after the fact? So murdering people accused, or that have priors is okay now? Seems like that goes against the Constitution. 2A people love to yell about Constitution, but ignore most of it.
I don't care about their priors but they do explain the mindset of those that were clapped. Anywho I have two working eyes and I saw the videos and they without a shadow of a doubt prove he acted in self-defense. You can blather on about how he shouldn't be there (if you say he shouldn't the rioters shouldn't as well) and he shouldn't have had a firearm. I shudder to think what they would have done to him if he hadn't had one.
We know exactly what would have happened to him if he didn't have a firearm. They would have hospitalized him and turned the gas station into a firebomb, just like they did the prior two nights.
No, it's "guy who committed legitimate self defense against lethal force was acquitted when the actual facts were judged". He's not a murderer because he didn't commit murder. But you already knew that because you read the article.
It's been a while, but I remember seeing the videos of the first incident last year and I didn't get the impression that he was cornered, exactly. I'd be curious, on the off chance you have any reference beyond the defense testimony, which might help reinforce that characterization
(I'll confess having argued that he could have continued to evade, but instead saw an opportunity to take cover between cars, where he squared up and fired. If I misunderstood, I would like to issue corrections.)
More video has been played in the trial. There is evidence that Rosenbaum had his hands on Rittenhouse's gun. Rosenbaum clearly imagined this frightened teen wouldn't pull the trigger or Rosenbaum was so suicidal he didn't care. He had just been released from the hospital for suicidal ideation.
The FBI overhead video suggests that further retreat would place Rittenhouse among another large group of rioters had he continued between those cars. That may be why Rittenhouse turned toward Rosenbaum.
It's worth noting that the large group of rioters were smashing cars with baseball bats up until the first gunshot. I wouldn't want to run through them even if I hadn't just shot someone.
It was interesting to see the video showing the bat wielders scatter everywhere as the gunshots sounded. I hadn't realized that Kyle shot Rosenbalm 4 times, the first just after he turns (he must be aware of the bat people) as he approaches the car. Rosenbalm starts to fall and gets shot more times, finally on his back on the ground. Kyle emerges from between the cars. I can appreciate his fear and his near disbelief that the chase was over as he rounds the car and sees others running in.
The Guardian published an article this week on Rittenhouse’s speaking engagement at a college campus, which he’s doing with the right-leaning group TP-USA.
Here’s how they treated his self-defense incident:
“In August 2020, Rittenhouse, who was 17 years old at the time, traveled from his home in Antioch, Illinois, armed with an AR-15-style rifle to aid a Kenosha-based militia that was calling for protection for businesses against protesters supporting the Black Lives Matter movement.
At the protests, Rittenhouse shot and killed 36-year-old Joseph Rosenbaum before shooting and killing 26-year-old Anthony Huber. Rittenhouse also wounded Gaige Grosskreutz, a 26-year-old protester and volunteer medic at the time who carried his own gun.
Following a widely watched and controversial trial in which he repeatedly claimed self-defense, Rittenhouse was acquitted in November 2021. His acquittal was largely regarded by critics as a revelation of the favorable treatment from law enforcement towards white self-styled militant vigilantes, in contrast to the treatment meted out to racial justice protestors.
The University of Memphis said it was legally obligated to allow Rittenhouse to speak despite the widespread protests.”
Uh, so no discussion of the fact that Rittenhouse decided to go to another state with a rifle to shoot bad people? I don't give a rat's ass if the people he shot were the most despicable humans on the planet—Rittenhouse decided to take a rifle to another state to play cop. His vigilantism is the cause of all of this. So the focus on the victims of his bullets and the media portrayals is way off-base. Kyle caused this to happen by his misguided attempt to be a cop.
There were dozens of civilians out there with rifles that night, and Antifa only attacked one of them. The reason they attacked Kyle was because Kyle put a fire out that was going to turn a gas station into a city wide firebomb. His only act of provocation was putting out a fire. He was not trying to be a cop, he was trying to be a fireman and a medic, because the real firemen and medics couldn't get into the area because violent anarchists were beating civilians to near death for attempting to stop them from burning buildings without firearms.
This is the context that your media sources aren't telling you, which leads you to the false conclusions you've drawn.
False conclusions? Give me a fucking break. The dude traveled to another state with a gun to play cop. THAT IS THE ISSUE. Firemen and medics do not carry around loaded AR-15 rifles. If he had stayed home he would not have killed people. Period. The fact that you're ignoring his vigilantism says a lot about YOUR biases and where you're coming from.
And don't give me any of that "buildings are insured" crap. Most of the buildings were not insured, and most were POC owned, and most of BLM wasn't the ones doing the burning either. There were five factions on the ground that night, and the militia elements were working with the BLM elements against the cops and against Antifa, according to accounts on the ground. Kyle didn't shoot anyone in BLM, he shot people who were either Antifa arsonists or unaligned agitators who were in the process of attempting to kill him for stopping them from wiping out a city block with a dumpster bomb at a gas station.
The issue is that he and dozens of others were forced to because there were no cops and no fire protection.
On the first day of protests dozens of buildings in Kenosha burned uncontested.
On the second day of protests dozens more buildings burned while the arsonists hospitalized citizens attempting to stop them by beating them to near death with bats.
On the third day of protests citizens showed up with guns.
This will happen any time anarchist arsonists burn buildings for three days consecutively, and they leave the citizens with no other option. Try it again, it will happen again, and someone might get shot again. The easiest way to avoid this is don't burn 52 buildings to the ground while beating to near death the citizens who prevent you from stopping you. It's very easy. Don't do that thing.
Kyle lived "across state lines" about half the time, but he also worked and had over half his family in Kenosha. He effectively lived in Kenosha at least half the time.
The night before, he slept over at a friend's house in Kenosha. The day of he was cleaning graffiti off walls and offering medical aid to anyone who needed it.
The rifle he used that night never crossed state lines. His one mistake was putting himself in a position where he could be cornered, separated from the rest of his group. There is absolutely no basis for asserting "vigilantism." He did literally everything he could to disengage from the fight until he had no choice left but to use deadly force.
Do you believe that lie about him bringing a rifle over state lines? Its been debunked so many times I lost count. THE RIFLE NEVER LEFT WISCONSON after he bought it.
Where does "business model abstraction" come from? Unless you assign responsibility to some individual or group more specific than "the media" you inductively blame The Industrial Revolution And Its Consequences, which is not useful.
Ok now do Covid
https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-covid-19-red-ink-blue-ink-problem
IMPORTANT CORRECTION!
Huber wasn't a wife beater, he was a sibling beater. From The Motte:
"In 2012, Huber brandished a butcher knife and threatened to “gut” his brother “like a pig” if he didn’t clean the house. The family told police that Huber choked his brother with his hands for 10 seconds before letting him go and retreating to the skate park. Convicted of strangulation and false imprisonment, he was placed on probation but violated the terms and was sent to prison in 2017. When he came home, he got into another argument over the state of the house. This time, he kicked his sister, and went back to prison on a charge of disorderly conduct in 2018."
So apparently he was a psychopathic clean freak who attacked his siblings violently and went to jail because he used violence to try to make them to clean the house.
So weird.
That’s nuts.
"And that people are so invested in these lies that they can't recalibrate their opinions."
This goes back to a comment I dropped in another article you wrote about a year back. The book is Superforecasting and the reference in there is to a study on experts and their predictions. Two sets of experts were asked to predict an outcome. One set of experts publicly proclaimed their predicted outcomes; the other set kept their predictions private.
Then, new facts were introduced that affected whether the predicted outcome was more likely to be accurate or inaccurate. Experts were periodically asked whether they wanted to revise their predictions, then new facts would be introduced and the experts re-queried, and so on. Eventually, there was an outcome.
The experts who publicly proclaimed their predictions were more than twice as likely to refuse to change their prediction, even when presented with new facts that undermined the likelihood of their prediction. This was true even when they were told that the actual outcome was the opposite of what they predicted -- some who publicly staked themselves to the opposite outcome refused to concede.
This is what we see with social media. People publicly take a position on issues. Then they refuse to change their minds, even when confronted with new facts that undermine the position they've taken. It's actually even broader than that. People publicly stake themselves to this or that echo chamber. Then, they refuse to believe the echo chamber could have led them astray.
"It's the social media, stupid."
Is this the book?
https://www.amazon.com/Superforecasting-Science-Prediction-Philip-Tetlock/dp/0804136718
That's it. Good read. 100% non-political.
Good article, as always.
A couple of notes:
Per court testimonies Kyle opened fire for the first time only when he ended up being cornered at the parking lot and rapist lunged at him trying to grab his rifle, not due to other rioter shooting (whose identity is known and he wasn't even subpoenaed if I'm not mistaken).
TYT co-host admitted being wrong about Kyle chasing the rapist, not about skin colors.
Aahh, well thanks for the corrections. One might hope that the two things I missed on don't impact the sensemaking value of the overall article.
Following the trial https://www.bitchute.com/channel/4I3OqIk7gzoU/. The commentary is helpful as he critiques both the prosecution and defense. Whether the prosecution really tried is up for debate. Their own witnesses suggests the trial should have never happened but was seemingly driven by the press who got nearly all of the story wrong, on purpose maybe, for clicks certainly. Whether Rittenhouse goes down the Nick Sandman road remains to be seen but Sandman's life was trashed via press zeal to create a narrative.
Many in the public are becoming quite aware of the dual system of justice to preserve a narrative in the harsh sentencing of the J6 people. Some are guilty of violence and need to be held to account; others, not so much.
so murderer did a background check on the victims before he shot them. Or was it: guy we worship killed some people, let's do a character assassination on the victims and oh gee we found a criminal record after the fact? So murdering people accused, or that have priors is okay now? Seems like that goes against the Constitution. 2A people love to yell about Constitution, but ignore most of it.
I don't care about their priors but they do explain the mindset of those that were clapped. Anywho I have two working eyes and I saw the videos and they without a shadow of a doubt prove he acted in self-defense. You can blather on about how he shouldn't be there (if you say he shouldn't the rioters shouldn't as well) and he shouldn't have had a firearm. I shudder to think what they would have done to him if he hadn't had one.
We know exactly what would have happened to him if he didn't have a firearm. They would have hospitalized him and turned the gas station into a firebomb, just like they did the prior two nights.
No, it's "guy who committed legitimate self defense against lethal force was acquitted when the actual facts were judged". He's not a murderer because he didn't commit murder. But you already knew that because you read the article.
It's been a while, but I remember seeing the videos of the first incident last year and I didn't get the impression that he was cornered, exactly. I'd be curious, on the off chance you have any reference beyond the defense testimony, which might help reinforce that characterization
(I'll confess having argued that he could have continued to evade, but instead saw an opportunity to take cover between cars, where he squared up and fired. If I misunderstood, I would like to issue corrections.)
More video has been played in the trial. There is evidence that Rosenbaum had his hands on Rittenhouse's gun. Rosenbaum clearly imagined this frightened teen wouldn't pull the trigger or Rosenbaum was so suicidal he didn't care. He had just been released from the hospital for suicidal ideation.
The FBI overhead video suggests that further retreat would place Rittenhouse among another large group of rioters had he continued between those cars. That may be why Rittenhouse turned toward Rosenbaum.
It's worth noting that the large group of rioters were smashing cars with baseball bats up until the first gunshot. I wouldn't want to run through them even if I hadn't just shot someone.
It was interesting to see the video showing the bat wielders scatter everywhere as the gunshots sounded. I hadn't realized that Kyle shot Rosenbalm 4 times, the first just after he turns (he must be aware of the bat people) as he approaches the car. Rosenbalm starts to fall and gets shot more times, finally on his back on the ground. Kyle emerges from between the cars. I can appreciate his fear and his near disbelief that the chase was over as he rounds the car and sees others running in.
Then you need to get your eyes checked. He was not only blocked in by the cars but behind said cars was a group of rioters
Such a great post!
That punk should be in prison for double homicide. Also illegally possessing the assault rifle.
Troll on Garth, troll on
Oh, look. Zombie NPCs.
oh look murderer worshipers. prosecutors and judges get things wrong frequently.
And I bet you think OJ was "innocent" gmafb.
> prosecutors and judges get things wrong frequently.
Every time they let someone from Antifa go.
The Guardian published an article this week on Rittenhouse’s speaking engagement at a college campus, which he’s doing with the right-leaning group TP-USA.
Here’s how they treated his self-defense incident:
“In August 2020, Rittenhouse, who was 17 years old at the time, traveled from his home in Antioch, Illinois, armed with an AR-15-style rifle to aid a Kenosha-based militia that was calling for protection for businesses against protesters supporting the Black Lives Matter movement.
At the protests, Rittenhouse shot and killed 36-year-old Joseph Rosenbaum before shooting and killing 26-year-old Anthony Huber. Rittenhouse also wounded Gaige Grosskreutz, a 26-year-old protester and volunteer medic at the time who carried his own gun.
Following a widely watched and controversial trial in which he repeatedly claimed self-defense, Rittenhouse was acquitted in November 2021. His acquittal was largely regarded by critics as a revelation of the favorable treatment from law enforcement towards white self-styled militant vigilantes, in contrast to the treatment meted out to racial justice protestors.
The University of Memphis said it was legally obligated to allow Rittenhouse to speak despite the widespread protests.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/21/kyle-rittenhouse-speech-memphis-university-protests
Uh, so no discussion of the fact that Rittenhouse decided to go to another state with a rifle to shoot bad people? I don't give a rat's ass if the people he shot were the most despicable humans on the planet—Rittenhouse decided to take a rifle to another state to play cop. His vigilantism is the cause of all of this. So the focus on the victims of his bullets and the media portrayals is way off-base. Kyle caused this to happen by his misguided attempt to be a cop.
There were dozens of civilians out there with rifles that night, and Antifa only attacked one of them. The reason they attacked Kyle was because Kyle put a fire out that was going to turn a gas station into a city wide firebomb. His only act of provocation was putting out a fire. He was not trying to be a cop, he was trying to be a fireman and a medic, because the real firemen and medics couldn't get into the area because violent anarchists were beating civilians to near death for attempting to stop them from burning buildings without firearms.
This is the context that your media sources aren't telling you, which leads you to the false conclusions you've drawn.
False conclusions? Give me a fucking break. The dude traveled to another state with a gun to play cop. THAT IS THE ISSUE. Firemen and medics do not carry around loaded AR-15 rifles. If he had stayed home he would not have killed people. Period. The fact that you're ignoring his vigilantism says a lot about YOUR biases and where you're coming from.
And don't give me any of that "buildings are insured" crap. Most of the buildings were not insured, and most were POC owned, and most of BLM wasn't the ones doing the burning either. There were five factions on the ground that night, and the militia elements were working with the BLM elements against the cops and against Antifa, according to accounts on the ground. Kyle didn't shoot anyone in BLM, he shot people who were either Antifa arsonists or unaligned agitators who were in the process of attempting to kill him for stopping them from wiping out a city block with a dumpster bomb at a gas station.
https://hwfo.substack.com/p/analyzing-the-ryan-thomas-balch-account
The issue is that he and dozens of others were forced to because there were no cops and no fire protection.
On the first day of protests dozens of buildings in Kenosha burned uncontested.
On the second day of protests dozens more buildings burned while the arsonists hospitalized citizens attempting to stop them by beating them to near death with bats.
On the third day of protests citizens showed up with guns.
This will happen any time anarchist arsonists burn buildings for three days consecutively, and they leave the citizens with no other option. Try it again, it will happen again, and someone might get shot again. The easiest way to avoid this is don't burn 52 buildings to the ground while beating to near death the citizens who prevent you from stopping you. It's very easy. Don't do that thing.
You're being sold an overtly false narrative.
Kyle lived "across state lines" about half the time, but he also worked and had over half his family in Kenosha. He effectively lived in Kenosha at least half the time.
The night before, he slept over at a friend's house in Kenosha. The day of he was cleaning graffiti off walls and offering medical aid to anyone who needed it.
The rifle he used that night never crossed state lines. His one mistake was putting himself in a position where he could be cornered, separated from the rest of his group. There is absolutely no basis for asserting "vigilantism." He did literally everything he could to disengage from the fight until he had no choice left but to use deadly force.
HE did not cross state lines with a gun but its cute that the left believes in borders now
Do you believe that lie about him bringing a rifle over state lines? Its been debunked so many times I lost count. THE RIFLE NEVER LEFT WISCONSON after he bought it.
I'm thinking he ought to sell a signature line of AR-15s.
"Rittenhouse Brand Arsonist Extinguishers -- Stops Arson Cold"
Where does "business model abstraction" come from? Unless you assign responsibility to some individual or group more specific than "the media" you inductively blame The Industrial Revolution And Its Consequences, which is not useful.
It's a common topic on HWFO. This is the first dive on it:
https://hwfo.substack.com/p/the-media-engine-of-chaos