Back in the early 90s, I dated a girl who went to Mt Holyoke College, an all women's college in Massachusetts. I was completely immersed in the culture of that campus for 2 years. At the time I complained that they were not looking for equal rights, but dominance over men. The way they explained it to me was that things had to go way far past equal so that when it snapped back it would be equal. It took me a long time to get over the abuse/brainwashing/gaslighting that I suffered in that relationship, and eventually left the country to look for my wife in Guatemala. Personally, I don't associate with anyone that asks/demands anything of me that I don't agree with anymore, male or female. I just choose not to play with them.
Nice compilation. Interesting (for a non American) to look at "breeder penalty" by country. The German figure feels intuitively right, somehow.
That said, a few nitpicky points:
1) part of the single person home ownership difference will be due to widows being more numerous than widowers. You can argue that this just confirms the female privilege in living longer, but I'll still be interested in seeing the same data for people under 60 or whenever males start dying out
2) the IPV and rape statistics are slightly at least disingenuous in one particular way. They lump together violent and non violent instances of both and while I'm furthest from implying that being belittled and humiliated isn't a form of violence in a broad sense (really, I acknowledge it can be), there's a difference between being called a useless piece of shit and having your ribs broken. A comparison of the number of males and females killed by their partners or exes would dispell this. Same with rape: violence/physical force or its threat vs "rape as unwanted sex while intoxicated" might (I'm not as sure here) show a different picture.
And I'm pretty sure you'll still end up with similar conclusions, just acknowledging some ways in which women ARE obviously disadvantaged in direct conflict with men.
White women are in fact the most privileged entities on the planet, and the ratio isn't even close.
Given the divorce rate, divorced women are overwhelmingly getting the kids and the house, with the man turfed out to fend for himself. Is that alone enough to account for the home ownership gap? I'm going to say "Probably."
We're already seeing societal fraying, with successful, professional women having expectations that are not only unrealistic, but unachievable for finding a male partner (tall, gorgeous, athletic, makes more money than she does). This is already showing in a crashing birth rate, but also men who rate a 7 or less out of 10 are simply opting not to play this stupid game anymore. This has several knock-on effects.
"I cannot explain why there are more homeless men than women. Mental illness causes homelessness, but mental illness in women is triple that of men, so that’s not it. "
The divorce metric above is certainly part of it. Also a woman who is mentally ill and unable to support herself can just enlist a man to do it for her, or fall back on family or the rest of her support network, with no social stigma attached. Nobody's going to take care of a man who can't work. (I shouldn't use absolutes but this is a definite rarity)
Society will not deal well with the day when men as a whole decide they're just going to check out.
With regard to homelessness, I would point out that far more men suffer from military service-related PTSD than do women. The effects of PTSD do not always rise to the level we call mental illness, but they can cause mental dislocation that leads to leaving physical homes somewhere along the wayside.
Interesting writeup. I would have never expected this if not put in this way. Thanks HWFO. An interesting plot I would like to see in relation to this would be female vs. male narcissism. Further, would be a study on the drivers of this from a biological perspective. Maybe they are nothing, just thinking out loud. Anyway, thanks again.
Women will never let up, that’s because we are hardwired to look for what’s wrong and not what’s right. People in general do that, but in my experience women do it more. Trade offs is a hard concept to understand for both men and women (economics in general seems impossible to understand for the general populace), but once again it seems like we women have an especially hard time with that concept. The grass is always greener for other people.
For example: We complain about the burden and oppressiveness of being the preferred parent of our children. How, even in a room full of adults, your child will crawl all over you and never let you have a break. But then again, we never stop to think how we’d feel if our child stopped preferring us or never preferred us at all. The few women this happened to (very rare, as it takes a LOT for a baby not to prefer their mother) are seething with jealousy and anger at their child’s preferred caretaker.
Another example: being SAHM is hard. Doing laundry all day and scrubbing floors are no fun. Even childcare is only sometimes fun. But we don’t stop to think how we’d feel if we were forced by circumstances to leave our babies for 8-10 hours a day in the care of others. One woman I have heard of blew up her relationship with her SAHD husband because her baby prefers him, and he hasn’t automatically read her mind and been a less fun caregiver when she’s home.
These are just domestic chore split examples. Looking at social issues, you generalize this tendency to other statistics (eg “Even one rape is a rape too many!”), you can easily see that this is a war so-called feminists can never win. They don’t pay attention to the male statistics of course, because there still too much rape. There will always be too much rape. Life is full of suffering, so there will always be rape. So the war is never over.
I think this is all part and parcel of the Victims' Revolution of the 60s and that nothing will change as long as our reigning morality (which has now been adopted by almost everyone educated and/or professional) is based on the perceived Victim class and how being a Good Person now means tending to their wounds and redistributing everything from assets to esteem to citiations from the Oppressor to the Oppressed (up to and including rewriting history, if nec). And these categories (like the founding dogma they're based on) are etched in stone and will not change and even if we're ruled by a new Thirty Tyrants composed only of black women they will proclaim that we are still centuries away from achieving "Justice".
I think people make the mistake of thinking of the 60s as just a groovy bacchanal of cool music and crazy clothes but it really was a second Reformation (we even had another Martin Luther! this one also being a King) and the Social Justice faith that arose on the ashes of Christianity and Americanism has now become the worldview/morality/sacred belief system of almost all Westerners under, say, age 40. And in this new faith women are an original and eternal victim class—the Patriarchy smothered them for centuries!—and once someone is coded as Victim they can never be contradicted, never told NO, as this replicates the sins of our evil ancestors.
There is a New God in town and He/She demands the total submission of men (white ones, most especially) and New Gods usually get what they want.
Ya know, I had another question…. How exactly does a woman rape a man? Not sure how that works. Once long before I was married with kids a woman I sorta knew took me home one night when I had too much to drink. I wasn’t at all attracted to her or interested in intimacy. Well she tried but things just wouldn’t work out for her so to speak. I know,I know. Your going to blame it on the alcohol. I’m pretty sure that if it would have been someone I was into everything woulda worked out just fine. I just can’t believe a woman could rape a man. Maybe I’m naïve though.🤣🤣
Happily married and raising two sons. Happily feminist but eager to hear from men and seeing these kinds of thoughts/data. Hard to distinguish myself as a true feminist with the caveat that men are good, true and beautiful part of our world. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. This helps point towards a more nuanced stance of equality and equity. 💜
This is a superior article. Thorough, lucid, and polished. I haven’t seen anything of such quality in this topic area since Dalrock took down his shingle a few years ago. I haven’t read anything else you’ve written yet, but I subscribed as soon as I finished this.
Women will never quit. They only read things that reinforce their beliefs, and regularly dismiss anything that goes against their agenda. More and more women are on the male-bashing agenda, and it is starting in younger and younger women. As men, we just need to shut up and deal with it. Expressing dismay or verbalizing that women are winning gains men no favors. Also, men need to be very, very careful about whom they date, and even more careful about whom they marry. Even then, there is a strong chance a woman will grow tired of you and resort to divorce-rape of their future ex husband.
Back in the early 90s, I dated a girl who went to Mt Holyoke College, an all women's college in Massachusetts. I was completely immersed in the culture of that campus for 2 years. At the time I complained that they were not looking for equal rights, but dominance over men. The way they explained it to me was that things had to go way far past equal so that when it snapped back it would be equal. It took me a long time to get over the abuse/brainwashing/gaslighting that I suffered in that relationship, and eventually left the country to look for my wife in Guatemala. Personally, I don't associate with anyone that asks/demands anything of me that I don't agree with anymore, male or female. I just choose not to play with them.
Nice compilation. Interesting (for a non American) to look at "breeder penalty" by country. The German figure feels intuitively right, somehow.
That said, a few nitpicky points:
1) part of the single person home ownership difference will be due to widows being more numerous than widowers. You can argue that this just confirms the female privilege in living longer, but I'll still be interested in seeing the same data for people under 60 or whenever males start dying out
2) the IPV and rape statistics are slightly at least disingenuous in one particular way. They lump together violent and non violent instances of both and while I'm furthest from implying that being belittled and humiliated isn't a form of violence in a broad sense (really, I acknowledge it can be), there's a difference between being called a useless piece of shit and having your ribs broken. A comparison of the number of males and females killed by their partners or exes would dispell this. Same with rape: violence/physical force or its threat vs "rape as unwanted sex while intoxicated" might (I'm not as sure here) show a different picture.
And I'm pretty sure you'll still end up with similar conclusions, just acknowledging some ways in which women ARE obviously disadvantaged in direct conflict with men.
White women are in fact the most privileged entities on the planet, and the ratio isn't even close.
Given the divorce rate, divorced women are overwhelmingly getting the kids and the house, with the man turfed out to fend for himself. Is that alone enough to account for the home ownership gap? I'm going to say "Probably."
We're already seeing societal fraying, with successful, professional women having expectations that are not only unrealistic, but unachievable for finding a male partner (tall, gorgeous, athletic, makes more money than she does). This is already showing in a crashing birth rate, but also men who rate a 7 or less out of 10 are simply opting not to play this stupid game anymore. This has several knock-on effects.
"I cannot explain why there are more homeless men than women. Mental illness causes homelessness, but mental illness in women is triple that of men, so that’s not it. "
The divorce metric above is certainly part of it. Also a woman who is mentally ill and unable to support herself can just enlist a man to do it for her, or fall back on family or the rest of her support network, with no social stigma attached. Nobody's going to take care of a man who can't work. (I shouldn't use absolutes but this is a definite rarity)
Society will not deal well with the day when men as a whole decide they're just going to check out.
Awesome and brilliant, as usual.
re: the 1970s feminists, it will presumably be difficult to find 1970s data, but a matching scorecard from that time would be interesting.
With regard to homelessness, I would point out that far more men suffer from military service-related PTSD than do women. The effects of PTSD do not always rise to the level we call mental illness, but they can cause mental dislocation that leads to leaving physical homes somewhere along the wayside.
Interesting writeup. I would have never expected this if not put in this way. Thanks HWFO. An interesting plot I would like to see in relation to this would be female vs. male narcissism. Further, would be a study on the drivers of this from a biological perspective. Maybe they are nothing, just thinking out loud. Anyway, thanks again.
Women will never let up, that’s because we are hardwired to look for what’s wrong and not what’s right. People in general do that, but in my experience women do it more. Trade offs is a hard concept to understand for both men and women (economics in general seems impossible to understand for the general populace), but once again it seems like we women have an especially hard time with that concept. The grass is always greener for other people.
For example: We complain about the burden and oppressiveness of being the preferred parent of our children. How, even in a room full of adults, your child will crawl all over you and never let you have a break. But then again, we never stop to think how we’d feel if our child stopped preferring us or never preferred us at all. The few women this happened to (very rare, as it takes a LOT for a baby not to prefer their mother) are seething with jealousy and anger at their child’s preferred caretaker.
Another example: being SAHM is hard. Doing laundry all day and scrubbing floors are no fun. Even childcare is only sometimes fun. But we don’t stop to think how we’d feel if we were forced by circumstances to leave our babies for 8-10 hours a day in the care of others. One woman I have heard of blew up her relationship with her SAHD husband because her baby prefers him, and he hasn’t automatically read her mind and been a less fun caregiver when she’s home.
These are just domestic chore split examples. Looking at social issues, you generalize this tendency to other statistics (eg “Even one rape is a rape too many!”), you can easily see that this is a war so-called feminists can never win. They don’t pay attention to the male statistics of course, because there still too much rape. There will always be too much rape. Life is full of suffering, so there will always be rape. So the war is never over.
I think this is all part and parcel of the Victims' Revolution of the 60s and that nothing will change as long as our reigning morality (which has now been adopted by almost everyone educated and/or professional) is based on the perceived Victim class and how being a Good Person now means tending to their wounds and redistributing everything from assets to esteem to citiations from the Oppressor to the Oppressed (up to and including rewriting history, if nec). And these categories (like the founding dogma they're based on) are etched in stone and will not change and even if we're ruled by a new Thirty Tyrants composed only of black women they will proclaim that we are still centuries away from achieving "Justice".
I think people make the mistake of thinking of the 60s as just a groovy bacchanal of cool music and crazy clothes but it really was a second Reformation (we even had another Martin Luther! this one also being a King) and the Social Justice faith that arose on the ashes of Christianity and Americanism has now become the worldview/morality/sacred belief system of almost all Westerners under, say, age 40. And in this new faith women are an original and eternal victim class—the Patriarchy smothered them for centuries!—and once someone is coded as Victim they can never be contradicted, never told NO, as this replicates the sins of our evil ancestors.
There is a New God in town and He/She demands the total submission of men (white ones, most especially) and New Gods usually get what they want.
Ya know, I had another question…. How exactly does a woman rape a man? Not sure how that works. Once long before I was married with kids a woman I sorta knew took me home one night when I had too much to drink. I wasn’t at all attracted to her or interested in intimacy. Well she tried but things just wouldn’t work out for her so to speak. I know,I know. Your going to blame it on the alcohol. I’m pretty sure that if it would have been someone I was into everything woulda worked out just fine. I just can’t believe a woman could rape a man. Maybe I’m naïve though.🤣🤣
Happily married and raising two sons. Happily feminist but eager to hear from men and seeing these kinds of thoughts/data. Hard to distinguish myself as a true feminist with the caveat that men are good, true and beautiful part of our world. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. This helps point towards a more nuanced stance of equality and equity. 💜
That was awesome analysis and one I shall hold onto ‼️
Still reading but I wanted to be the first to say great work!👏👏👏
This is a superior article. Thorough, lucid, and polished. I haven’t seen anything of such quality in this topic area since Dalrock took down his shingle a few years ago. I haven’t read anything else you’ve written yet, but I subscribed as soon as I finished this.
I would prob have to say I agree with that statement.Sadly.😞
Oh, and by the way. Excellent work. I liked it.
Women will never quit. They only read things that reinforce their beliefs, and regularly dismiss anything that goes against their agenda. More and more women are on the male-bashing agenda, and it is starting in younger and younger women. As men, we just need to shut up and deal with it. Expressing dismay or verbalizing that women are winning gains men no favors. Also, men need to be very, very careful about whom they date, and even more careful about whom they marry. Even then, there is a strong chance a woman will grow tired of you and resort to divorce-rape of their future ex husband.