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Mick Staton's avatar

Absolutely go buy your guns and your extra ammunition. I am a big 2nd amendment proponent. However, the moment anybody tries to rise up in a revolution to overthrow the government I will be right there with my guns fighting to stop them, and so will most everyone else.

Here is the flaw in your theory. You say that self government is a myth, except it is not, because the government we have is exactly the government the vast majority of people want. You and I may not want to take vaccines that don't work but over 80% of the public does, so they get what they want. We will never eat bugs because the vast majority of people are never going to give up their Big Macs and large fries.

If you go and look at the major cultural battles over the last 100 years you will see that they all trend toward more personal freedom, not less. Civil rights, abortion, gay marriage, transgender bathroom access, marijuana, and on and on. In all of these cases our government and our courts has given people an official stamp to do what they want with their lives. I may disagree with abortion and gay marriage, etc., and I may think that official government approval of more and more deviant behavior is the wrong way to go, but my position has been losing because the other side has done a much better job of marketing. Besides, it is far easier to tell everyone to let their freak flag fly than to convince someone they need to actually behave and be responsible adults.

The same can be said of gun ownership. Try as hard as they might, the liberal elite will never be able to outlaw private gun ownership because there are just too many people that own guns, and the people won't stand for it. The best they can do is nibble around the edges.

And that brings us to why we have a nation of self government that appears to be an oligarchy. Just as we have started offloading certain thought processes to our phones, the vast majority of people offloaded their civic thought processes to political parties and government experts a long time ago. Most people are more interested in watching sports, or seeing who wins American Idol than they are in who runs the country. Most people couldn't even pass a basic civics test on how our government works.

When it comes to local government they don't even have any idea what those positions are or what they do, much less have an inclination to go vote for them. But for a country and a government to function, someone has to actually do the work to make that happen which is where you get your "experts." The result is that people have come along and told the masses, "Don't worry. We've got this. You just relax and vote for the people we tell you to and we will keep things rolling. Do you want a refill on those fries?"

So everyone is happy. The people who want to run things are happy because they get up, work their a-- off and get into positions of power. The masses are happy because they live in a country where they get to do what they want, eat what they want, sleep with what they want, and enjoy all the entertainment the world has to offer without worrying about who's minding the store. As depressing as that sounds, the system has worked pretty good so far. We are the richest, most powerful country in the world with the strongest military ever created, and we don't even use it to create an American empire. Okay, we're not the smartest folks in the world anymore and our population may be headed towards Idiocracy, but life is pretty good.

The only ones that don't like it are the cranks. The ones on the far left and far right who don't like people that either don't look like them or do things they don't like. These are the ones that are the most likely to revolt, and I would fight either of them to the death, because that is where your fascist oligarchy comes from. The spectrum of political belief from left to right is not a straight line. It is an arc where the two extreme ends meet in support of dictatorship. Both extreme ends want to have total control of your life, they just want it for slightly different reasons.

If you want to change the course of America you have to persuade the masses to go along with you, but persuasion is hard and it takes a long time, and like I said before, if you are a conservative it is even harder to persuade people to be responsible. It is incredibly easy to persuade someone to be selfish and vote for their own personal interest, so liberals have been winning the persuasion game. Guys like Yarvin don't have either the inclination or patience to do it. That's why he wants to go the dictator route. Why do the long, hard, messy work of trying to convince someone to agree with you when you can hire a strong man to take over and force everyone to do what you want?

And that is why I would be fighting any revolt that comes up. I may not like the direction our culture is going, but at least the direction leads to more personal freedom, not less. It may be depressing to see so many people offload their civic responsibility to people who are mainly looking out for their own self interest, but quite frankly our system of government is better than any other country out there. If it ever bothers me enough I will start working with people who agree with me to try and persuade more people to my way of thinking and try to make a difference.

Until then I have work to do so I can feed my family.

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Brian Chau's avatar

My initial reaction is that you attribute way more agency to the 'oligarchy' than exists in real life, except I know that neither you nor Yarvin do so. The various branches of this 'oligarchy' are mostly traditions, vibes, and conformity instead of any kind of rational actor. They're a stupid machine that burns a lot of resources justifying their own delusions. Why I am reiterating this if I think you already agree with it? Well, I think the latter half of the article isn't consistent with this view.

> If the transhumanist faction of the protofascist oligarchy invents “immortality for the rich,” they may decide they don’t need the poor and start wasting them. If the protofascist oligarchy converts the Army entirely into flying death robots, it may make wasting the poor push-button easy. The protofascist oligarchy may get all sorts of awful ideas, like making us eat bugs, or take vaccines that don’t actually do anything, or mandatory organ donation. The more the job automation bar moves, the more people will become professionally disenfranchised until robots do all the work and nobody makes any money to buy the stuff the robots make. The protofascist oligarchy has many potential future failure modes.

The problem is that the utility of people actually isn't a very large factor in propaganda/bureaucracy circles. Otherwise blank-slatism would be eviscerated, the difference in talent selection gained would be enormous for any structure that cared about utility. Even post-immortality the neurotic status-quo bias of bureaucratic institutions will persist, since that's what they select for in the first place.

I think there's a leap of faith happening here where disenfranchisement inevitably equals dystopia, and I think that's been false for some (though not all) political systems. There's a very sad truth that is both white and black pilling, which is that actually institutions are very permeable and fragile, but also that they're entropic in a way. Neo-racism (wokeness) isn't winning because of a grand strategy, but because scapegoating the successful group has been a winning political strategy in every country. Safetyism and scapegoating the unvaxxed is deployed because its a tried and true justification for power. And those strategies work not because we live in a dystopia because most people fall for it, and that's just human nature.

This is obviously incomplete, I'll add it to my article queue, but hopefully that at least makes the main lines of my reaction clear.

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